What Jeff Storey says is of course true. There was no abomination, no crime that the United States committed in Vietnam and that is why US imperialism is quite happy to do smile benevolently upon Israel's crimes today.
We must not forget this. But although Israel is the guard dog and attack dog of the United States it is not the same entity. It has its own interests of course.
Bush lost the next election to Clinton after his tussle with Israel. He lost an election by all historical measures he should have won going away coming off the big win against Saddam.
Any U.S. politician who calls out Israel’s influence on U.S. politics and policy is out of office in the next election cycle.
Only after they are out of office will U.S. politicians have the “courage” to state the facts about how much influence Israel and their agents exert in the U.S. over the political caste.
The neocons have worked for both parties and have served in successive administration which is how they have corrupted US foreign policy for the benefit of Israel.
The strenuous efforts to pass laws, first at the state level and now at the Federal level, to criminalize any critical comments of Israel is de facto proof who is running whom. These laws run directly against the 1st Amendment which is considered by the vast majority of Americans as the most critical freedom we have.
Facts don’t need interpretation they stand on their own as truth.
The ones who need to concoct meandering narratives, connecting the dots, to support their “truth” are full of shit.
Israel’s military actions do not further U.S. regional interests.
Further, the U.S. does not have a mutual defense treaty pact requiring the U.S. to come to their aid when attacked.
The “belief” that the U.S. and Israel are joined at the hip has been a fundamental position of AIPAC and the neocons which they have reinforced through campaign contributions and the multiple neocon led foreign military debacles.
My position, Tony, is that Israel has long been a non-state, and possibly from the very beginning (even though that technically it, of course, is a state). Therefore the "cooperation" of Israel and the US is not really a cooperation as it is a single body of criminality. There is no "tail". It is a wolf with no tail. Israel is paraded as a "Jewish State" which has been a 76 years old fraud.
That is true. But is this power not coming to them from us the believing public?
We give them this power. Without the public they have no power at all.
They present us falsehoods (fraud) just because they know very well we will buy it.
It is fraudulent but many of us need the lies: 1) all those tangible goods that somehow make us happy (for a moment) and 2) all our fears of rejection and of being exposed to attack and loss of our national purity etc. This can be paradoxical - ie - it’s really not very good for us but we can't (as a group) let go of the comfort of those lies (the bad is good)...
Eventually "Zionism" (current cult of power) will fall - simply because nothing lasts forever, but this may happen not through our actions but due to passage of time and natural disintegration. And then a new fraud will eventually emerge. And so on and so on.
The point is can humans get together to make this natural process quicker by realising we are being run by fraudsters? Or is it that we really don't care if we are being manipulated in this way? The events of the last few years (or decades) demonstrated public institutions have a lot more apathy yet in them before public can be shaken out of the paralysis we seem to be in.
So when I (and others) say “fraud” it may well be totally ineffective if folks actually don’t mind at all that we are being ruled by lies. We are probably looking at slow psychological (and sociological) processes that need time as everyone takes this subject in their own personal pace. We do not evolve together as one.
For example, it may take 5 years for someone who read this comment until eventually they are in a position where they are ready to move into this consciousness which to me looks pretty obvious and that I try to describe in clarity (I hope).
There’s a very powerful “carrot and stick” incentive driving the public, and everyone knows it. The carrot: the millions of dollars from the supremacist billionaire Zionists. The stick: the terrifying threat of being labeled an antisemite, ruining one’s reputation, and losing one’s job. Both the carrot and stick are “offered” by unhinged lunatics who will stop at nothing. The public knows this. The public is not in charge of itself, and has been deprived of independent thought and action by Zionist “soft” terror.
I heard Vijay Prashad recently say, the question of whether the US controls Israel or vice versa can be resolved by the fact that they have merged, long ago. This is not to go against anything you say on the Christian Zionists, but it is an interesting concept. I am not sure when this merger occurred, but one theory could be the murder of JFK after Ben Gurion resigned and Mossad felt desperate to have nuclear arms of its own to counter the Arabs surrounding them. The Guatemalan Genocide was aided and abetted by Israeli advisors, training and the weapons supplied, such as the Galil rifles manufactured on site. I don't believe that was done to earn their keep with the US Govt. as Chomsky argued. Rather, I do believe it was seen by Arial Sharon and others involved (Including Pat Robertson's 700 Club) as a means to spread its influence as an arms maker and supplier to governments, such as South Africa under Apartheid, Sri Lanka, Rwanda, and Duterte's Philippines to name but a few.
So much for “conspiracy theory” smearing. The US “merged or submerged” at that point, it appears. The US is horrible and the illegitimate entity is even worse. The worst I have ever seen. I remember GI’s cut off ears of Viet Cong and wore them around their necks. Ruined babies lives for years to come with Agent Orange. They threw prisoners out of helicopters to their death and tortured prisoners with electrodes. The US used blow torches under prisoners armpits. Good Christian men. More committed suicide than were killed in. combat. It left the Vietnam Syndrome for many years no one wanted another war. It left shame, drug addiction and homeless veterans. This is worse. Unthinkable. I have read the Human Rights reports from Guatemala and El Salvador.really, it is worst things I have ever read in my life.
If Israel and the US have merged, they've merged the way a world-class jockey merges with his mount. He and his horse are a seamless unit. The rider has total control.
The United States is the thoroughbred. Israel and its billionaire Zionist supporters are mounted and in total control.
Mark Twain reportedly once said that if horses knew their power, no one would ride.
Those who say the US is in control of its foreign policy are letting AIPAC and the billionaire Jewish Supremacists off the hook. Why would you do that?
The difference between me and you Batman is that I put my words into action. If you got out of your batmobile and googled my name you'd realise that I've been arrested under the Terrorism Act for supporting the Palestinian resistance whereas you are just a keyboard warrior.
However I have a brain not just Robin to keep me company. The Zionists who reported me to the Police get their power from the state not the other way around. Now go back to sleep birdbrain
I’m sure most state authorities are terrorized, terrified that they’d be labeled as antisemites, and further, fear they may jeopardize their jobs and their funding. The power of the Zionists controls much of the state.
The headline writers on Double Down News are fond of writing click bait which bears little resemblance to the body of the article. We need to stay united with a common goal. This debate over whether Israel controls the Pariah States of America or vice versa has been argued over by many learned scholars. I’ve studied both and reached the conclusion both can be right depending on whether the tide is in or out. Lowkey , David Miller and Tony have a common goal…the survival of Palestine needs their and our continued push in that direction.
Miriam Adelson herself has donated $600 million to insure there is not an inch of light between Israeli and US policy. Outside of the hundreds of millions from AIPAC. The US has wasted trillions of dollars fighting Israel's wars and Israel has completely captured US foreign policy in West Asia. That money could have been invested in tech and infrastructure that would have allowed the US to keep up with China and continue its hegemony. Instead it's now lost its hegemony, like most other empires by wasting it on useless wars instead of building productive capacity
george bush jr stopped in the middle of a speech to answer a phone call from ehud olmert.
it’s illegal to boycott israel in 36 states, and in texas, it can jeopardize your ability to get federal disaster aid. we’ve given them everything they wanted for over 60 years, even after they murdered our navy (USS liberty) in cold blood. and to top it off, president johnson decided to bury the story and censor the survivors. 52 standing, smiling ovations from both sides of congress, (not even the president gets that much applause) for a man committing genocide in broad daylight.
i can go on all day. stop burying your head in the sand. we are occupied. end of story.
"In short it is not Israeli control of US foreign policy that is the problem. It is US imperialism and its Israeli watchdog that are our real enemies." ... is a brilliant summary. However, the tirade against Lowkey is not helpful. Back in the 1950s, Mao Tse Tung had written an essay: On the correct handling of contradictions among the people, published under the title: Five Philisophical Essays. It is important that left wing activists and thinkers try to grasp the gist - it is We and the Enemy. We should not convert non-antagonistic contradictions amongst ourselves into antagonistic contradictions, or at least not make them sound like antagonistic ones. 'We' need to remain united against the 'Enemy'...
When we talk about influence on the US, one must distinguish two components: the "how" i.e. the means and the money, and the "what" i.e. the actual policies. I believe the money comes from both Christian and Jewish Zionists; but I believe the details of the "what" is heavily driven by Israel: the war in Iraq, the sanctions on Iran, Abraham accords... Read Jeffrey Sachs who goes further in terms of the Israel's influence on the US Middle-East policies
What Jeff Storey says is of course true. There was no abomination, no crime that the United States committed in Vietnam and that is why US imperialism is quite happy to do smile benevolently upon Israel's crimes today.
We must not forget this. But although Israel is the guard dog and attack dog of the United States it is not the same entity. It has its own interests of course.
Such utter nonsense.
What is the U.S. equivalent in Israel of AIPAC?
Bush lost the next election to Clinton after his tussle with Israel. He lost an election by all historical measures he should have won going away coming off the big win against Saddam.
Any U.S. politician who calls out Israel’s influence on U.S. politics and policy is out of office in the next election cycle.
Only after they are out of office will U.S. politicians have the “courage” to state the facts about how much influence Israel and their agents exert in the U.S. over the political caste.
The neocons have worked for both parties and have served in successive administration which is how they have corrupted US foreign policy for the benefit of Israel.
The strenuous efforts to pass laws, first at the state level and now at the Federal level, to criminalize any critical comments of Israel is de facto proof who is running whom. These laws run directly against the 1st Amendment which is considered by the vast majority of Americans as the most critical freedom we have.
Facts don’t need interpretation they stand on their own as truth.
The ones who need to concoct meandering narratives, connecting the dots, to support their “truth” are full of shit.
There doesn't need to be an equivalent of AIPAC in Israel. Israel itself is a military outpost of US imperialism right from the outset.
Israel’s military actions do not further U.S. regional interests.
Further, the U.S. does not have a mutual defense treaty pact requiring the U.S. to come to their aid when attacked.
The “belief” that the U.S. and Israel are joined at the hip has been a fundamental position of AIPAC and the neocons which they have reinforced through campaign contributions and the multiple neocon led foreign military debacles.
My position, Tony, is that Israel has long been a non-state, and possibly from the very beginning (even though that technically it, of course, is a state). Therefore the "cooperation" of Israel and the US is not really a cooperation as it is a single body of criminality. There is no "tail". It is a wolf with no tail. Israel is paraded as a "Jewish State" which has been a 76 years old fraud.
Whatever is fraudulent, the power of the Zionists is quite real and dangerous. Everything else is a technicality.
That is true. But is this power not coming to them from us the believing public?
We give them this power. Without the public they have no power at all.
They present us falsehoods (fraud) just because they know very well we will buy it.
It is fraudulent but many of us need the lies: 1) all those tangible goods that somehow make us happy (for a moment) and 2) all our fears of rejection and of being exposed to attack and loss of our national purity etc. This can be paradoxical - ie - it’s really not very good for us but we can't (as a group) let go of the comfort of those lies (the bad is good)...
Eventually "Zionism" (current cult of power) will fall - simply because nothing lasts forever, but this may happen not through our actions but due to passage of time and natural disintegration. And then a new fraud will eventually emerge. And so on and so on.
The point is can humans get together to make this natural process quicker by realising we are being run by fraudsters? Or is it that we really don't care if we are being manipulated in this way? The events of the last few years (or decades) demonstrated public institutions have a lot more apathy yet in them before public can be shaken out of the paralysis we seem to be in.
So when I (and others) say “fraud” it may well be totally ineffective if folks actually don’t mind at all that we are being ruled by lies. We are probably looking at slow psychological (and sociological) processes that need time as everyone takes this subject in their own personal pace. We do not evolve together as one.
For example, it may take 5 years for someone who read this comment until eventually they are in a position where they are ready to move into this consciousness which to me looks pretty obvious and that I try to describe in clarity (I hope).
There’s a very powerful “carrot and stick” incentive driving the public, and everyone knows it. The carrot: the millions of dollars from the supremacist billionaire Zionists. The stick: the terrifying threat of being labeled an antisemite, ruining one’s reputation, and losing one’s job. Both the carrot and stick are “offered” by unhinged lunatics who will stop at nothing. The public knows this. The public is not in charge of itself, and has been deprived of independent thought and action by Zionist “soft” terror.
I heard Vijay Prashad recently say, the question of whether the US controls Israel or vice versa can be resolved by the fact that they have merged, long ago. This is not to go against anything you say on the Christian Zionists, but it is an interesting concept. I am not sure when this merger occurred, but one theory could be the murder of JFK after Ben Gurion resigned and Mossad felt desperate to have nuclear arms of its own to counter the Arabs surrounding them. The Guatemalan Genocide was aided and abetted by Israeli advisors, training and the weapons supplied, such as the Galil rifles manufactured on site. I don't believe that was done to earn their keep with the US Govt. as Chomsky argued. Rather, I do believe it was seen by Arial Sharon and others involved (Including Pat Robertson's 700 Club) as a means to spread its influence as an arms maker and supplier to governments, such as South Africa under Apartheid, Sri Lanka, Rwanda, and Duterte's Philippines to name but a few.
https://archive.org/details/mossad-and-ben-gurion-killed-jfk
So much for “conspiracy theory” smearing. The US “merged or submerged” at that point, it appears. The US is horrible and the illegitimate entity is even worse. The worst I have ever seen. I remember GI’s cut off ears of Viet Cong and wore them around their necks. Ruined babies lives for years to come with Agent Orange. They threw prisoners out of helicopters to their death and tortured prisoners with electrodes. The US used blow torches under prisoners armpits. Good Christian men. More committed suicide than were killed in. combat. It left the Vietnam Syndrome for many years no one wanted another war. It left shame, drug addiction and homeless veterans. This is worse. Unthinkable. I have read the Human Rights reports from Guatemala and El Salvador.really, it is worst things I have ever read in my life.
What do you think of the recent JFK papers released that further establish the Mossad behind his murder and coverup?
If Israel and the US have merged, they've merged the way a world-class jockey merges with his mount. He and his horse are a seamless unit. The rider has total control.
The United States is the thoroughbred. Israel and its billionaire Zionist supporters are mounted and in total control.
Mark Twain reportedly once said that if horses knew their power, no one would ride.
Those who say the US is in control of its foreign policy are letting AIPAC and the billionaire Jewish Supremacists off the hook. Why would you do that?
https://youtu.be/e9xC-_wfEl0
WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN THESE LAST 75 YEARS?
WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO FOOL YOU FUCKING FALSE PROPHET? YOU’RE ONE OF THEM AREN’T YOU ?
FUCK ZIONISTS AND ZIONISM
The difference between me and you Batman is that I put my words into action. If you got out of your batmobile and googled my name you'd realise that I've been arrested under the Terrorism Act for supporting the Palestinian resistance whereas you are just a keyboard warrior.
However I have a brain not just Robin to keep me company. The Zionists who reported me to the Police get their power from the state not the other way around. Now go back to sleep birdbrain
I’m sure most state authorities are terrorized, terrified that they’d be labeled as antisemites, and further, fear they may jeopardize their jobs and their funding. The power of the Zionists controls much of the state.
TWO TONGUES TWO FACES ZIONIST PIECE OF SHIT 💩 WORSE THAN REAL ZIONISTS
The headline writers on Double Down News are fond of writing click bait which bears little resemblance to the body of the article. We need to stay united with a common goal. This debate over whether Israel controls the Pariah States of America or vice versa has been argued over by many learned scholars. I’ve studied both and reached the conclusion both can be right depending on whether the tide is in or out. Lowkey , David Miller and Tony have a common goal…the survival of Palestine needs their and our continued push in that direction.
100% agree with this article!!!
Miriam Adelson herself has donated $600 million to insure there is not an inch of light between Israeli and US policy. Outside of the hundreds of millions from AIPAC. The US has wasted trillions of dollars fighting Israel's wars and Israel has completely captured US foreign policy in West Asia. That money could have been invested in tech and infrastructure that would have allowed the US to keep up with China and continue its hegemony. Instead it's now lost its hegemony, like most other empires by wasting it on useless wars instead of building productive capacity
george bush jr stopped in the middle of a speech to answer a phone call from ehud olmert.
it’s illegal to boycott israel in 36 states, and in texas, it can jeopardize your ability to get federal disaster aid. we’ve given them everything they wanted for over 60 years, even after they murdered our navy (USS liberty) in cold blood. and to top it off, president johnson decided to bury the story and censor the survivors. 52 standing, smiling ovations from both sides of congress, (not even the president gets that much applause) for a man committing genocide in broad daylight.
i can go on all day. stop burying your head in the sand. we are occupied. end of story.
"In short it is not Israeli control of US foreign policy that is the problem. It is US imperialism and its Israeli watchdog that are our real enemies." ... is a brilliant summary. However, the tirade against Lowkey is not helpful. Back in the 1950s, Mao Tse Tung had written an essay: On the correct handling of contradictions among the people, published under the title: Five Philisophical Essays. It is important that left wing activists and thinkers try to grasp the gist - it is We and the Enemy. We should not convert non-antagonistic contradictions amongst ourselves into antagonistic contradictions, or at least not make them sound like antagonistic ones. 'We' need to remain united against the 'Enemy'...
Yes the tail (Israel)wags the dog(USA)
Well said, excellent background. But shouldn’t you say so to piss off the Rottweiler in the Oval Office?
When we talk about influence on the US, one must distinguish two components: the "how" i.e. the means and the money, and the "what" i.e. the actual policies. I believe the money comes from both Christian and Jewish Zionists; but I believe the details of the "what" is heavily driven by Israel: the war in Iraq, the sanctions on Iran, Abraham accords... Read Jeffrey Sachs who goes further in terms of the Israel's influence on the US Middle-East policies
BS
Confusing post